October 28th 2018 VATCAN Staff Meeting Minutes

Mark Trumble

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October 28th 2018 VATCAN Staff Meeting Minutes
« on: November 02, 2018, 05:24:43 PM »
Find below a link to the meeting minutes for a VATCAN staff meeting that took place on October 28th 2018.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ESVwAIX6Gm-7reYbJeeDfSYy1LMqdV8xslmgJ_Ewka8/edit?usp=sharing
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Nathan Power

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Re: October 28th 2018 VATCAN Staff Meeting Minutes
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2018, 05:31:16 PM »
Thanks for taking the time to write this up, Mark!

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Re: October 28th 2018 VATCAN Staff Meeting Minutes
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2018, 10:52:19 AM »
After reading the minutes I would like to share my thoughts from the average members perspective.

1)A general overview of the document seems vague. As a general member of VATCAN, I find it hard to understand what is being said. These types of documents should explain (in slight to moderate detail) what is happening in the community. While the "minutes taker" dictates who is speaking, the use of "explains" is overused. There is no clear information of what is being discussed about the matter at hand. It rather just states "something is being said". The MINUTES do go on to explain that a recording will become available. But still, shouldn't there be more of a backbone to the paper copy?

2) The bilingual requirement for CYUL. Aviation (as many are aware) has only one language requirement: English. While different areas of the world pilots & ATC may choose to operate in mother tongue, it is English that is the preferred language of the skies. Adding a restriction to the area has and will only cause staffing issues. Thus causing problems during events that require controllers to operate the YUL airspace. With that being said, VATSIM is a unique environment where there is no language requirement to participate in the network as either pilot or controller. So why would VATCAN impose a language restriction for training in YUL FIR?

3) Will there be a General meeting for all VATCAN members before the end of the year? This could be an opportunity to give and get feedback from the view of the membership of how operations have impacted their enjoy for this year. This may also give the STAFF a chance to ask the membership on where they see things going?

Cheers
Jagard

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Re: October 28th 2018 VATCAN Staff Meeting Minutes
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2018, 11:57:08 AM »
+1 on Jagard's suggestion to hold a town hall type meeting. We had one scheduled for January this year but that went poof. We're well overdue one at this stage.

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Re: October 28th 2018 VATCAN Staff Meeting Minutes
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2018, 01:03:29 PM »
All very good points and questions! Allow me to explain them all a but more in-depth:

In the history of VATCAN meetings, there has rarely been a more detailed version of a minutes recap than something of this style. However, I definitely understand that from an outside perspective, this may seem a bit bland and confusing, so perhaps a more detailed recap is something for us to look at for future meetings.

Of course, you're right about English being the only real requirement for the network - my plan for ZUL is to not enforce any language regulations, but to encourage the FIR to continue using their primary language, as Montreal has quite a few French pilots. However, I also encourage any members to head to Montreal, as all users are expected to be fluent in English. There never has been a restriction, and never will there be - it's just unfair to VATCAN.

Finally, yes! There absolutely should be a town hall planned, and I will add that to my list of things to do. We, of course, have an initial FIR staff meeting planned for the near future, but I'll plan to include a full VATCAN town hall meeting before the year's end.

Hopefully this answered your questions!

After reading the minutes I would like to share my thoughts from the average members perspective.

1)A general overview of the document seems vague. As a general member of VATCAN, I find it hard to understand what is being said. These types of documents should explain (in slight to moderate detail) what is happening in the community. While the "minutes taker" dictates who is speaking, the use of "explains" is overused. There is no clear information of what is being discussed about the matter at hand. It rather just states "something is being said". The MINUTES do go on to explain that a recording will become available. But still, shouldn't there be more of a backbone to the paper copy?

2) The bilingual requirement for CYUL. Aviation (as many are aware) has only one language requirement: English. While different areas of the world pilots & ATC may choose to operate in mother tongue, it is English that is the preferred language of the skies. Adding a restriction to the area has and will only cause staffing issues. Thus causing problems during events that require controllers to operate the YUL airspace. With that being said, VATSIM is a unique environment where there is no language requirement to participate in the network as either pilot or controller. So why would VATCAN impose a language restriction for training in YUL FIR?

3) Will there be a General meeting for all VATCAN members before the end of the year? This could be an opportunity to give and get feedback from the view of the membership of how operations have impacted their enjoy for this year. This may also give the STAFF a chance to ask the membership on where they see things going?

Cheers
Jagard

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Re: October 28th 2018 VATCAN Staff Meeting Minutes
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2018, 10:51:28 PM »
I would personally suggest a Town Hall at least twice a year. They're an excellent opportunity for the membership to express their views and concerns and a biannual frequency seems to work well from my experience.
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Re: October 28th 2018 VATCAN Staff Meeting Minutes
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2018, 02:29:42 PM »
Of course, you're right about English being the only real requirement for the network - my plan for ZUL is to not enforce any language regulations, but to encourage the FIR to continue using their primary language, as Montreal has quite a few French pilots. However, I also encourage any members to head to Montreal, as all users are expected to be fluent in English. There never has been a restriction, and never will there be - it's just unfair to VATCAN.

In regards to "never has been a restriction", the below is from the reply I got from the Montreal FIR when I tried to apply as a visiting controller last year. Take it for what it is worth...

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Normally we grant visitors full access only when they are bilingual. Because you're english only, we allow control of High Center FL180 and above and full control of the CYOW TCA. So basically you can still handle departures and arrivals from and to high levels from YOW. Hopefully that is good enough!
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