Obviously we shouldn't waste our time with what doesn't matter at the moment.

VATSIM Code of Regulations Section 1.01A "Members should be
able to converse and/or provide air traffic control services in English, the internationally accepted official language for air traffic control."

That's actually the only rules keeping us from offering ONLY French services  .
Just joking around.
By the way there is a good number of visiting controllers from as far as Asia who are bilingual and offered to control and or instruct but were just never answered to because of the FIR's inactivity.
So just a precision, I am not concerned about this rule I'm just 'clarifying' stuff and I appreciate that Jeff
On that note let me just say that the work in CZUL is going great and faster than I could imagine.
I was anticipating a small lack of French-ism in the whole thing due to the new instructors not speaking it, but to my great surprise I have not even felt the policy change yet. On the scope and in communications, Rob has always put French first! This is more than he has to do and the FIR members truly appreciate the effort.
Thank you,
Yanick

Guys

If I may suggest.  This discussion should be held for the time being.

Rob and Travis are doing a lot of work with the folks in Montreal to get that FIR back on it's feet.  This is valuable and essential work. 

The discussion around language is moot until they have completed what they are doing.  This needs to be a staged process and flapping gums is not going to help it.  Action will!  Rob and Travis are taking action.  Yanick, I know when it's possible you will be taking action on getting to the level you need to for instructing and further assisting.

So let's not be so concerned with what "rules" work and do not work.  We don't need to be concerned with that right now, nor might we ever need to be concerned with it.  Let's focus on the job at hand in helping CZUL getting back to where it deserves to be!

Quote from: Yanick Coulombe on February 21, 2019, 11:27:24 PM

The staffing issue is not due to the language restriction. Around 2005 CZUL was more staffed than CZYZ despite having that same language restriction.

"This is how we did it in the past" can no longer be a valid statement as it will only hold us back!

We need everyone to jump on ship as we build up momentum for CZUL!

My argument is not "This is how we did it in the past", my argument is, "this is how it must be done for realism".

Comparing what was happening 14 years ago is actually relevant, I'm just proving the false association between "not having any staffs" and "french only requirement", they are not directly related, that's what I'm trying to prove by talking about the past, I agree that it is not a good reason in itself. The real argument is realism.

I do agree that right now it is not possible with french only instructors, I am not opposed to letting English only instructors help us rebuild the FIR. But I am completely opposed to prematurely assuming that the french requirement is bad for the FIR and must be removed permanently.

I applaud the progress made in CZUL by VATCAN. I also agree that it's not possible to revive the FIR with french only instructors at the moment.

Yanick

Adding a restriction to the area has and will only cause staffing issues.

The staffing issue is not due to the language restriction. Around 2005 CZUL was more staffed than CZYZ despite having that same language restriction.

So why would VATCAN impose a language restriction for training in YUL FIR?

The restriction is from the FIR and is not imposed by VATCAN.

Honestly I don't think it's ever gonna change, basically the CZUL FIR in Vatsim offers a bilingual service like in real life.

I would also like to add it’s probably best if you reached out directly and said hi. Moncton likes to have new controllers experience their events so new potential controllers can get a feel for the workload but you need to reach out and say hi. As I’ve said many times in the past, we probably have some of our most seasoned controllers in Moncton and it makes that FIR a fantastic resource, especially for continued development.

If you do want to stay in Montreal it’s always an option too. Hopefully with Rob’s hard work and with the support of our eager up and coming controllers, we can get the training program running like it used to.